Is God Finished With Me?

Question from a Site Viewer
There is no doubt that all Christians sin willfully against God, somewhere in their walk. However, the true believers eventually recognize their transgressions and repent. As explained by John MacArther there are those believers who continue sinning willfully against God and NEVER repent. God will then turn their minds into “reprobate minds” and turn their hearts away from him. Once this happens there is no turning back to God. Because he will then allow calamity to strike and death will soon follow. This I know to be true because it hapend to me and I am so horribly ill and miserable that suicide is my only escape from 24 hours a day of excruciating pain. And we all know there is no forgiveness for those who take their own life. Am a right or am I wrong? I’ve seen nowhere in the Bible where anyone dies by his own hands and God pardons the murder of self. I think that you are wrong in your advice. Sin only leads to more sin which leads to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit (rejecting God’s salvation) which leads to sickness and then death. Which is why God is always warning us not to sin. One can push God too far, or to the point of no forgiveness.

Furthermore there is the question of predestination. I personally believe that Calvin was 100 percent right when he said that God chooses us and not the other way around. Thousands of people choose Christ as their savior but fall away forever and are lost. In other words, if one chooses Christ and his or her name is not in the book of the living there is no way that person is going to finish the race as a Christian. God will make sure that he or she does not finish the race.

I was taught 30 years ago that God is always loving and forgiving. However, with constant backsliding I found the horrible reality of living in constant fear, pain, illness and depression. If God truly wanted me to finish the race he would have given me an understanding of my backsliding and what misery it caused me, however, I could not see the forest for the trees. Therefore I am now lost for eternity. In other words there is always forgiveness for one who has their name in the “Book of Life” and there will not be forgiveness for one whose name is not there. It would have been better for me had I never tried to be born again.

Tim’s Answer
I apologize for not being able to respond sooner. My heart goes out to you. But I want you to know that no matter who says what about God, the God you depict is not the God of Scripture. There is no Scripture that would support a position that God will turn minds into reprobate minds and turn hearts away from Him. I challenge anyone to provide such a Scripture. While Scripture affirms that God gives people over to their own debased minds (Romans 1:28), God does not turn minds into reprobate minds nor does God ever turn hearts away from Him. To the contrary, Jesus came to seek and save the lost (Luke 19:10). He is not willing that any should perish (2 Peter 3:9). And, He has reconciled Himself to the world and now pleads with us to be reconciled to Him (2 Corinthians 5:18-21).

No matter what one believes on predestination, election, the sovereignty of God, the presence or absence of the free will on the part of man, Scripture does not support the type of resignation or determinism that you have expressed. To the contrary, God plainly states that those who have been chosen by God for judgment, when they turn to God, will always find mercy. This is what Scripture expressly states in many places (Judges 10:11-16; Jeremiah 18:6-10; 26:3, 12-13; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:24:2). God is merciful to all (Romans 11:32). We can choose to seek after God (2 Chronicles 15:4, 15; 17:4; 22:9; 26:5; Psalm 34:4; 77:2; 119:10; Isaiah 55:6; 65:10; Matthew 7:7; Acts 17:27). That is our choice. Fatalism is never part of biblical theology.

Even strongly Calvinist preachers such as Jonathan Edwards called upon people to seek after God. And if you listen to John MacArthur, you will find him calling on people to repent. This is the call of God Himself (Acts 17:30). And in case you think that your sins have been too bad for God to forgive, look to King Manasseh. Manasseh knew what was right. He was the son of a good king. But he deliberately turned away from God. He did evil according to the abominations of the nations that were before him (2 Chronicles 33:2). He also built altars to foreign gods in the temple of God (2 Chronicles 33:4). He built altars to the host of heaven (2 Chronicles 33:5). He caused his sons to pass through the fire (2 Chronicles 33:6). He practiced sorcery, consulted mediums and spirits, and did “much evil in the sight of the LORD” (2 Chronicles 33:6). He even set up a carved image in the house of God (2 Chronicles 33:7). He seduced Judah to do more evil than the nations who were before him (2 Chronicles 33:9). If there was ever a person who had sinned so much that he was past the point of forgiveness, Manasseh should have been that person. He is described as the person who did the most in Scripture to turn God’s wrath against him. But we find that even with Manasseh God’s character as a forgiving God is not forgotten. When Manasseh repented, God restored him (2 Chronicles 33:13). What brought about Manasseh’s restoration was that he “implored the Lord his God, and humbled himself greatly before the God of his fathers” (2 Chronicles 33:12). Don’t tell me that you are worse than Manasseh.

The only thing that can keep any of us from God is our own pride. If we think we are too good for God, too bad for God, too anything for God, we will find that to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. But, if we will humble ourselves before God, seek His face, turn from our wickedness, acknowledge our sins, and seek to follow Him, we will find forgiveness and restoration. This is who God is (Exodus 34:6-7). He is the God of mercy. God has issued a promise and backed it up by His own immutability, that those who flee to Him for refuge will have an anchor of the soul (Hebrews 6:17-20). Those who draw near to Him will find that He will draw near to them (James 4:8). This is His promise.

You state that you have lived a life of constant backsliding. Such indicates to me that you had a desire to live for Christ but that you were like the man the Apostle Paul describes at the end of Romans 7 who could not find a way to live rightly before God. There is another way to live. There is no victory in Romans 7. There is no defeat in Romans 8. Those who live by striving to do what is right will always find failure. We cannot love God by keeping the commandments, whether they be Old Testament commandments or New Testament ones. This is the teaching of Galatians 3-5. But we can keep His commandments by loving Him. Love must always come first. If we love Him, then everything else will fall into place. Thus, our effort must be geared towards loving God. And love comes naturally to those who (1) spend time with another, (2) seek to bless the other, and (3) are thankful for the other. This is where walking with the Spirit provides such a different way to live out the Christian life. Those who walk with the Spirit will always find victory (Galatians 5:25).

What does it mean to walk in the Spirit? Walking with God is such a huge concept in Scripture. Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:24). Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9). Abraham and Isaac walked before God (Genesis 48:15). Levi walked with God (Malachi 2:6). The disciples walked with Christ (John 6:66). Walking with someone is the concept of being in close fellowship with them, of being beside them in the daily journey of life. When we walk with the Spirit, we are in close fellowship with the Comforter whom Christ gave to be our helper (John 14:16-17; 26; 15:26). Such a walk is one of liberty (Galatians 5:1), not bondage. It is freeing, not condemning. It is praying without ceasing—constant communion with the God we love. It is making Christ a part of everyday life. We do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to the Father through Him (Colossians 3:17). He becomes the life we live (Galatians 2:20; Colossians 3:4). We become one with Him, even as Jesus prayed in John 17:21-23. We cease striving and start simply trusting in His grace and salvation. We abide in Him (John 15). Trying to please God by trying to do right things simply never works. But a heart that begins to focus on what He has done for us, and in gratitude responds with praise and adoration to God, much like the woman in Luke 7:47, will find the favor of God. It will be a heart that grows in love for God and for man. Thus, our religion ceases to be about us measuring up, but rather about us renewing our minds by growing in love for God through focusing our eyes on Jesus Himself (Hebrews 12:2; Psalm 16:8). He welcomes the sinner back, whether it is 7 times, 70 x 7, or many multiples of this. We all stumble in many ways (James 3:2). But there is a God whose grace abounds over our sins.

This is true, whether we are at the end of life or the beginning. The thief on the cross could be received into paradise (Luke 23:43). It is the nature of Satan to accuse us and cause us to think that we are the ones who are outside of His grace. It is the nature of the Father to forgive us and welcome us back. And He is more than willing to forgive, even after we have squandered all of our inheritance (Luke 15:11-32).

I encourage you to make a fresh start with Christ. If you confess your sin, He is faithful and just to forgive you (1 John 1:9). There is no condition on this promise of God no matter what one believes about predestination. John MacArthur would urge you to do the same thing. A broken and contrite heart God will not despise (Psalm 51:17; Isaiah 66:2). Those who come broken before God will find that God will be pleased to dwell with them (Isaiah 57:15). Put your past behind, and like Paul reach to what lies before (Philippians 3:13). Seek Christ every day, and all through the day. Such may not remove all of the pain in your life, but seeking the God who promises to be found (Jeremiah 29:13-14; Matthew 7:7) may do more for you than you ever dreamed. Seek Him. He is a gracious God, as His saints have long known. His delight is in rescuing people from darkness and bringing them into Christ (Luke 15:7, 10). He has no delight in the destruction of anyone, but rather desires for them to be saved ((Ezekiel 18:19-32; 33:11; 1 Timothy 2:4).

May you grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ and come to know His welcoming embrace and the awesome meaning of what it is to have a Savior.

a sojourner seeking the face of God,


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31 thoughts on “Is God Finished With Me?

  1. Josh R.

    “He turned their heart to hate his people,…” Ps. 105:25 “…the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand,…” Deut. 2:30 “For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly,…” Jos. 11:20 God obviously causes the sins he wants to cause. Why would he leave it up to chance?

    1. Josh R.

      “And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.” 1 Peter 2:8. They were APPOINTED to be disobedient and stumble at the word. God determined it to happened for his glory. They did not appoint themselves.

      1. Sharon

        I am 39 I recieved Christ in spirit and in truth for the first time this Feb, i found him in an apostolic church..he came to me that night and he hasnt left me since..he is in spirit and in truth he reveals to us all things as we are able to receive it..the more you go to him in prayer..the more you confess your sins to him out loud speak his name and be not be ashamed the more you seek his face the more he will prepare you to receive the spirit of truth..the body is the temple of God…it must be cleansed of your sins..go to the alter and continue to praise his name receive the holy ghost….which is the gift from heaven..always seek his face…and continue to read Gods word… And believe in his sons name Jesus.Satan will flee..

  2. Johan Coetzee


    I love your article, but lost all my faith in you
    How can you challenge us to provide proof when the word clearly uses the term reprobate and gave over.
    Please refer to king james Rom 1 : 28
    Im very sorry for my rudeness,

    Johan Coetzee

    1. Petros

      That’s not the context of Romans 1. Paul is beginning to deliver the greatest gospel presentation ever recorded but before he can preach Gods grace and forgiveness he has to show the entire gentile world is condemned before God. The context is that since the fall, the gentile world has slipped further and further away from God through sin. Even though God has given man a consciousness of right and wrong man has deliberately rebelled through sin. So then God withdraws himself from mankind. Mankind in turn makes his own gods through idol worship in a futile attempt to reestablish fellowship. It’s the people in chapter 1 Paul is trying to reach in his gospel presentation. Except when he’s talking to the believer of course.

    1. Petros

      That’s not the context of Romans 1. Paul is beginning to deliver the greatest gospel presentation ever recorded but before he can preach Gods grace and forgiveness he has to show the entire gentile world is condemned before God. The context is that since the fall, the gentile world has slipped further and further away from God through sin. Even though God has given man a consciousness of right and wrong man has deliberately rebelled through sin. So then God withdraws himself from mankind. Mankind in turn makes his own gods through idol worship in a futile attempt to reestablish fellowship. It’s the people in chapter 1 Paul is trying to reach in his gospel presentation.

  3. Dale

    Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
    “Please!!! clear this up because the bible does say, “God gave them over to a reprobate mind” I will have to disagree with you until you explain this

    1. Steve

      It starts “and even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge…”, its the peoples choice first, God just gives them over to it, he won’t save the unwilling, he doesn’t force salvation, huge difference then just giving you over “for his glory”. People need to end this unbiblical new hyper calvinism.

      1. Sorrowful

        So what if you were unwilling & told God to leave you alone so you can live your own life. Then after a while you sense The Holy Spirits presence reducing. But then you find yourself in darkness & you repent & cry out to God. Then all the stories come into your mind about Esau, King Saul etc.. Who were never forgiven. No matter how carefully Saul tried to repent. Then you see yourself in the exact same place, cut off & hopeless but you still desire your relationship with God back & spend years, crying pleading begging God to come back into your heart, But nothing?

    2. Solace

      He did tho… God gave them over to a reprobate mind because they chose to go their own way. Look at it like this, a man has a wife that he loves more than anything, but the wife unhappy and looks for other men to satisfy her. He sees that she is unhappy, and that he cant do anything to please her anymore. So for her happiness he divorces her and let’s her go so she can be happy. But anytime that wife is ready to come back to him he is waiting. God doesnt just say “okay i dont want you anymore” and leaves us to fend. We choose to say “i wanna do what i wanna do”, and He gives us away to let us do what we want. But if we dont want God we dont want the Holy Spirit, so He removes it….. You get what im sayin? Its not Him its us.

  4. Terry T

    Instead of zeroing in on the author’s wrong doctrine, let’s set our minds on helping the one in torment from fear. Yes, God turns men over to a reprobate mind, but the key to understanding that is in understanding ‘turning them over.’ God merely gives them what they want -to be able to sin without conscience, to have God completely out of their lives. From everything you wrote about wanting to be saved, we can confidently say that you have NOT been turned over. If you had, you wouldn’t care. Yes, God predestinates the elect to salvation, and that is where you will find encouragement. Yes, He has their name already written down in the Book of Life -so rejoice! You are being drawn back in repentance. You have not sinned more than Manasseh!

  5. Terry Thompson

    Let’s stop zeroing in on the author of the article and help the one who is being tormented by the lies of Satan. If you are still here, please read the article below.
    I have been where you are, and I have discovered that Jesus is faithful and true, and we are not, but He never casts away those who come to Him. That is HIS promise. I pray for the peace of God that passes all understanding to flood your heart (mind). God does not torment anyone who genuinely wants forgiveness, and I believe you do. Please read this article I’ve linked below. God bless you, my friend.

  6. wilo

    I’m in the same state Gods word state there’s blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. I’ve been back and forth with God my whole twenty nine years and I didn’t realize my spiritual state and now I’m so blind I can’t see spiritually in my mind heart and stomach. I have a food addiction which affects all that’s going on in my body. I want to be saved but I’ve continually ate foods not good for my body. I wanted to stop but no matter how hard I try I couldn’t. I used to be addicted to weed and cigarettes. But I stopped the last time I got sick but foods were making me sick as well. So I tried to stop eating bad foods only to fall back again to the point where I am felt like I couldn’t anymore even though I know it…

    1. wilo

      It felt like I was dying. I wish i could go back. I have ADHD so it causes me from what I’ve noticed to not have any real commitment to anyone or anything. I want to please God but it seems he makes it tough for ppl like me. Im impatient, hot tempered, no self control, lack of understanding, a little slow, depressed a lot now. I want to be free I want to love I want God but I don’t see how I can have him after all of done and not knowing what to do at this point. I just wish I knew better in the past.

    2. Andria

      I struggle with food addiction so you are not alone. It is aweful. I personally believe I need deliverance. The only reason I haven’t done it is that I am afraid they will come back seven times worse upon disobedience. Not much confidence I can eradicate this completely. The Holy Spirit is going to have to do it.

  7. Petros

    No matter what you’ve done, if you want to return to God or come to God for the first time that means the Holy Spirit is drawing you to himself. John 6:44. If anyone was a reprobate they wouldn’t know it or wouldn’t care. If you care it’s never too late.

    1. Emily

      But doesn’t the word of God state that they throw away their confidence and now are left with a fearful expectation of fiery judgement? So they are aware of the consequences?

  8. Christopher Binns

    I’ve prayed and prayed, fasted and wept and yet I still feel rejected. I was genuinely converted but walked away into a sinful lifestyle. Returning to God is not easy. I’ve repented as best I could but it seems superficial and fleshy; I know what it is to have walked with God however brief it was. Why hasn’t my prayers been answered? I want to be reconciled with God; have I been cast off according to Hebrews 6:1–8?

  9. CC

    Wilo, petros is right. You are just a step away from where you need to be. You have acknowledged that you have erred against God. You have even acknowledge the harm that these bad choices have affected your life. John 3:16 says, for God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son that whose over believeth on him, should not perish but have eternal life. If you are a sinner believe now! In your heart. If you are a Christian already, repent. Find your way today. Get to know God. Commune with Him. Get a time desegnated just for him. The more you do this, the more His spirit begins to dwell in you. Once His spirit dwells in you, no demonic force can come inside to attack you. You must still be equipped with the word for future attac

  10. Jerome Sorrell

    If you have been given up as reprobate (I have liar, back-bite,sexual sins etc) even if no hope should you keep trying to get right with God?

    1. Tom

      Jerome, the best thing to understand is this, God is God and you are not. Just a way to say God knows things we dont. He dwells in eternity past and eternity future. He knows the final out come of mens lives. So, this is why He already has ours (those that believe) names written in the “Book of Life”. Its not that God chose some and rejected others. No, it just seems that way, as we only see from a limited view (through a glass darkly), were as Gods view is not limited! As truthsaves said; “Return to Him and He will return to you. Forsake your sin.” This comes from the scripture; “Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double minded.” James 4:8. “Now the God of…

  11. Sandra

    Tim… I totally and completely understand where you’re coming from! That was a great encouragement for that man to be able to find his way back with God nothing is impossible the mercy of God is new every morning so anything can happen if we have a repentant heart as long as we are breathing there is still hope… You’re right about Manasseh if there was hope for him due to the fact that he repented it could happen for anyone you just have to believe! Thank you Tim that was very inspiring for someone who really needed to hear that! And I also feel that no other comment needs to be said all that man needs is some encouragement not to be discouraged! In Jesus name ……

  12. Sandra

    As long as God is dealing with you about repentance and seeking his face one should never give up ever God will never leave you nor for sake you he will never reject a broken and contrite heart! Never never give up or stop trying you can become an over comer IN Jesus Name…..


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